old man joe
2008-09-15 11:38:11 UTC
"If Jesus knew of the betrayal because it was part of God's plan then the
curse on Judas is ungodlike. Clergymen seem able to accept that a man
following God's plan to the letter can also be a traitor. If it were simply
God's purpose to sacrifice an innocent man, Jesus could have given himself
up to the authorities making himself look even more innocent and humble. In
reality many people had seen Jesus preaching and anyone of them could have
pointed the authorities to the Garden of Gethsemane and the Mount of Olives
where Jesus had been in the habit of watching for the miracle for the last
week. The chief priests had argued with him face to face and knew Jesus in
person so, having found the gang's hideout, they could have identified Jesus
themselves but Judas theatrically and unnecessarily kisses Jesus on the
cheek to betray him. The betrayal has no purpose except to incriminate the
perfidious Jew." (Dr M D Magee; Defeat and Capture; Contents Updated: 9
November 1998;
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0460DefeatCapture.html#top)
the fact that Jesus was ... " delivered up by the predeterminedcurse on Judas is ungodlike. Clergymen seem able to accept that a man
following God's plan to the letter can also be a traitor. If it were simply
God's purpose to sacrifice an innocent man, Jesus could have given himself
up to the authorities making himself look even more innocent and humble. In
reality many people had seen Jesus preaching and anyone of them could have
pointed the authorities to the Garden of Gethsemane and the Mount of Olives
where Jesus had been in the habit of watching for the miracle for the last
week. The chief priests had argued with him face to face and knew Jesus in
person so, having found the gang's hideout, they could have identified Jesus
themselves but Judas theatrically and unnecessarily kisses Jesus on the
cheek to betray him. The betrayal has no purpose except to incriminate the
perfidious Jew." (Dr M D Magee; Defeat and Capture; Contents Updated: 9
November 1998;
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0460DefeatCapture.html#top)
plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of
godless men and put [Him] to death. " ( Acts 2:23 ) ...
...is nothing new ( for He used the wickedness of Pharaoh to
fulfill His purpose ) in the works of God.
your Dr. Magee is in error since the Gentiles as well had a hand
in killing Christ... Acts 4:27,28 ... the conclusion is that Dr. Magee
is an unlearned Gnostic as well as an Anti-Semetic, conveniently
leaving out Gentiles who also took part in Jesus death.
the statement of Magee ( and yours as well by believing in him and
quoting him ) that the " betrayal has no purpose " is in direct
conflict with Holy Scripture and calls God a liar...
" Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit
foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to
those who arrested Jesus. " Ac 1:16
" the Scripture had to be fulfilled "... God foretold of the whole
manner of Jesus death and used godless men acting in their wickedness,
both Jews and Gentiles, to fulfill all the previously written
Scripture about Jesus' death... that God foretells the future with
absolute accuracy is a defining character of God and proof positive
that Scripture is God breathed and not the philosophy of men...
.... " I am God, and there is no other; [I am] God, and there is no
one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning And from ancient
times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be
established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure " Is. 46:9,10